I've taken the real analysis sequence, I'm finishing the abstract algebra sequence, and I'm also in graduate complex analysis. 4.0 Math GPA (3.8 overall), and a sophomore. There are no research opportunities at my school, except for masters students writing a thesis. Trust me, I've asked. What am I supposed to do if I don't get in anywhere? How can people who haven't taken most of these courses get into REUs but I can't? I feel like my hard work has been a waste.djysyed wrote:Chicago is primarily UChicago students so don't be too worried. From what I've seen, REUs really just accept students with all sorts of backgrounds. Rise mentioned above that quite a few of his peers didn't really know much mathematics beyond group theory. If you're someone who has taken graduate courses, then you attend an institution where there is research so, REUs will wonder why you haven't chosen to do research at your own institution.ALG1997 wrote:I emailed Berkeley and Clemson about if my application was still being considered, and neither has replied. It's been 3 days, and since I've been rejected by Chicago and MSRI, I'm getting worried. Why don't programs notify you if you've been declined? And I'm the top sophomore at my school, so what do they expect? If the people who have been accepted don't mind, what are your stats? What classes have you taken, have you done research before, etc?
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Remember that most of these REU programs are directed toward juniors, and limit the number of sophomores they accept. I had more or less the same background as you when I was a sophomore, and I didn't get a single acceptance letter.ALG1997 wrote:I've taken the real analysis sequence, I'm finishing the abstract algebra sequence, and I'm also in graduate complex analysis. 4.0 Math GPA (3.8 overall), and a sophomore. There are no research opportunities at my school, except for masters students writing a thesis. Trust me, I've asked. What am I supposed to do if I don't get in anywhere? How can people who haven't taken most of these courses get into REUs but I can't? I feel like my hard work has been a waste.djysyed wrote:Chicago is primarily UChicago students so don't be too worried. From what I've seen, REUs really just accept students with all sorts of backgrounds. Rise mentioned above that quite a few of his peers didn't really know much mathematics beyond group theory. If you're someone who has taken graduate courses, then you attend an institution where there is research so, REUs will wonder why you haven't chosen to do research at your own institution.ALG1997 wrote:I emailed Berkeley and Clemson about if my application was still being considered, and neither has replied. It's been 3 days, and since I've been rejected by Chicago and MSRI, I'm getting worried. Why don't programs notify you if you've been declined? And I'm the top sophomore at my school, so what do they expect? If the people who have been accepted don't mind, what are your stats? What classes have you taken, have you done research before, etc?
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May I ask what did you do during the sophomore summer? I've had an industry internship last year so I don't want to work in the industry again.triscuitador wrote: Remember that most of these REU programs are directed toward juniors, and limit the number of sophomores they accept. I had more or less the same background as you when I was a sophomore, and I didn't get a single acceptance letter.
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Professors won't supervise reading courses? You could also pick up advanced textbooks in courses you've already taken and go through them quite thoroughly. During the winter, I started going through Atiyah-Macdonald and tried solving ALL the problems. It was a great way for me to strengthen my understanding of commutative algebra and learn basic things in Algebraic Geometry.ALG1997 wrote: I've taken the real analysis sequence, I'm finishing the abstract algebra sequence, and I'm also in graduate complex analysis. 4.0 Math GPA (3.8 overall), and a sophomore. There are no research opportunities at my school, except for masters students writing a thesis. Trust me, I've asked. What am I supposed to do if I don't get in anywhere? How can people who haven't taken most of these courses get into REUs but I can't? I feel like my hard work has been a waste.
Not having research doesn't mean you won't get into a top 10 graduate program, with the exception of Princeton. It certainly helps but, if you can go above and beyond in all of your graduate courses, you'll get some phenomenal letters of recommendation, which hold much more weight than research.
I still don't see why a Junior with basic knowledge of real analysis and abstract algebra is better than a Freshman who knows topology, real + complex, abstract, etc. Maybe academic maturity but the REU at my school was primarily second and third year undergrads. Many of whom had already studied A-M and some AG as well.triscuitador wrote: Remember that most of these REU programs are directed toward juniors, and limit the number of sophomores they accept. I had more or less the same background as you when I was a sophomore, and I didn't get a single acceptance letter.
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lol just compare rejection emails from this year with last years. some this year explicitly say how many more applicants they got as welletianss wrote:
Where do you get these stats, just curious?
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I can provide some data for this from 2017.starlord37 wrote:lol just compare rejection emails from this year with last years. some this year explicitly say how many more applicants they got as welletianss wrote:
Where do you get these stats, just curious?
Duluth: 120
Auburn: 250
Seattle University: 350
Fresno: 300
SMALL: Over 500
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You did ALL the problems in Atiyah-Mcdonald?! How? That's so cool. A grad student once told me if I wanted to study algebraic geometry in grad school I should do all the problems in A-M while in undergrad. I know A-M is the standard but I didn't really like it that much and I had no idea how to do the problems loldjysyed wrote: You could also pick up advanced textbooks in courses you've already taken and go through them quite thoroughly. During the winter, I started going through Atiyah-Macdonald and tried solving ALL the problems. It was a great way for me to strengthen my understanding of commutative algebra and learn basic things in Algebraic Geometry.
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This isn't true. At least 50% of the kids at REUs come from schools that have math grad programs or otherwise have math research opportunities and many have taken grad courses. That percentage goes up even more at the more 'prestigious' REUs. Often times REU programs are better than research opportunities at school or can offer research opportunities in an area that isn't studied at your research university. I'm fairly sure if you have grad courses, REUs will be more interested in you.djysyed wrote:
Chicago is primarily UChicago students so don't be too worried. From what I've seen, REUs really just accept students with all sorts of backgrounds. Rise mentioned above that quite a few of his peers didn't really know much mathematics beyond group theory. If you're someone who has taken graduate courses, then you attend an institution where there is research so, REUs will wonder why you haven't chosen to do research at your own institution.
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Because REUs primary goals are to give you research experience and to help you figure out if grad school is right for you. A qualified junior needs this more urgently than a (potentially highly) qualified freshman/sophomore.djysyed wrote: I still don't see why a Junior with basic knowledge of real analysis and abstract algebra is better than a Freshman who knows topology, real + complex, abstract, etc. Maybe academic maturity but the REU at my school was primarily second and third year undergrads. Many of whom had already studied A-M and some AG as well.
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Woah, I haven't solved all of them yet. Things get slightly tough after problem number 15 because the problems are about Spec of the new algebraic structures mention in the chapter. I spent 6-8 hours a day in winter and only managed to finish all the problems of the first two chapters. Just finished all the problems in chapter 3 last week .starlord37 wrote: You did ALL the problems in Atiyah-Mcdonald?! How? That's so cool.
Exactly! My professors and other graduate students are on my back about this. There is one grad student who did the same thing and his knowledge of Algebra is untouchable. The thing about A-M is that its well known for its terse presentation of the material and for its later problems. The later problems hold tremendous importance in Algebraic Geometry and it takes an Algebraic Geometer to bring out the beauty. Last week I met with my advisor and he asked me to present the proof of problem 3.23. Then he asked me to describe what a sheaf is in categorical terms using parts 1-5 of the problem. We then spent 5 minutes going over examples of sheaves and what a sheafification is. Although this went over my head, the conversation will come back once I formally study sheaves.starlord37 wrote: A grad student once told me if I wanted to study algebraic geometry in grad school I should do all the problems in A-M while in undergrad. I know A-M is the standard but I didn't really like it that much and I had no idea how to do the problems lol
In theory, you could go through A-M with only a basic understanding of group and ring theory but, unless your undergrad algebra course was at the level of a top 10 school, it'll be almost impossible to get through A-M in a semester.
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If I may add, a grad school committee's number one objective is to determine if you are capable/have the potential of doing research. One of the best ways to prove your potential is to have done research, and publications help even more. Letters of recommendation usually have more weight than the actual research you do because usually undergrad research isn't that substantial. However, a professor you've done research with can speak to your potential to do graduate level research much better than a professor you've only had classes with. But research isn't everything and certainly ALG1997 can get into any top 10 without it. It's not like you will be using recs from research after sophomore/freshman year for grad school anyways, so you really only need to do research summer after junior year...djysyed wrote:
Not having research doesn't mean you won't get into a top 10 graduate program, with the exception of Princeton. It certainly helps but, if you can go above and beyond in all of your graduate courses, you'll get some phenomenal letters of recommendation, which hold much more weight than research.
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Wow.....I really admire you, I am still reading van der Waerden actually...djysyed wrote:Woah, I haven't solved all of them yet. Things get slightly tough after problem number 15 because the problems are about Spec of the new algebraic structures mention in the chapter. I spent 6-8 hours a day in winter and only managed to finish all the problems of the first two chapters. Just finished all the problems in chapter 3 last week .starlord37 wrote: You did ALL the problems in Atiyah-Mcdonald?! How? That's so cool.
Exactly! My professors and other graduate students are on my back about this. There is one grad student who did the same thing and his knowledge of Algebra is untouchable. The thing about A-M is that its well known for its terse presentation of the material and for its later problems. The later problems hold tremendous importance in Algebraic Geometry and it takes an Algebraic Geometer to bring out the beauty. Last week I met with my advisor and he asked me to present the proof of problem 3.23. Then he asked me to describe what a sheaf is in categorical terms using parts 1-5 of the problem. We then spent 5 minutes going over examples of sheaves and what a sheafification is. Although this went over my head, the conversation will come back once I formally study sheaves.starlord37 wrote: A grad student once told me if I wanted to study algebraic geometry in grad school I should do all the problems in A-M while in undergrad. I know A-M is the standard but I didn't really like it that much and I had no idea how to do the problems lol
In theory, you could go through A-M with only a basic understanding of group and ring theory but, unless your undergrad algebra course was at the level of a top 10 school, it'll be almost impossible to get through A-M in a semester.
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For those who got accepted to Berkeley’s REU, when were you told to reply by? I’m close to the top on the waitlist and was wondering when I should expect to hear if I’ve received a spot.
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I worked at CVS, since I needed to work in some way to pay for school.ptnkt1215 wrote:May I ask what did you do during the sophomore summer? I've had an industry internship last year so I don't want to work in the industry again.triscuitador wrote: Remember that most of these REU programs are directed toward juniors, and limit the number of sophomores they accept. I had more or less the same background as you when I was a sophomore, and I didn't get a single acceptance letter.
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Which REU from berkeley do you mean? The topology one, or the data science MSRI UP one?Rara22 wrote:For those who got accepted to Berkeley’s REU, when were you told to reply by? I’m close to the top on the waitlist and was wondering when I should expect to hear if I’ve received a spot.
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This is exactly what I don't want to end up doing, no offense. That sounds like a wasted summer, compared to the students who are getting paid to do an REU.triscuitador wrote:I worked at CVS, since I needed to work in some way to pay for school.ptnkt1215 wrote:May I ask what did you do during the sophomore summer? I've had an industry internship last year so I don't want to work in the industry again.triscuitador wrote: Remember that most of these REU programs are directed toward juniors, and limit the number of sophomores they accept. I had more or less the same background as you when I was a sophomore, and I didn't get a single acceptance letter.
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March 12th. I rejected right away, so hopefully it helps!Rara22 wrote:For those who got accepted to Berkeley’s REU, when were you told to reply by? I’m close to the top on the waitlist and was wondering when I should expect to hear if I’ve received a spot.
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The topology oneTopologically wrote:Which REU from berkeley do you mean? The topology one, or the data science MSRI UP one?Rara22 wrote:For those who got accepted to Berkeley’s REU, when were you told to reply by? I’m close to the top on the waitlist and was wondering when I should expect to hear if I’ve received a spot.
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Thank you!ya wrote:March 12th. I rejected right away, so hopefully it helps!Rara22 wrote:For those who got accepted to Berkeley’s REU, when were you told to reply by? I’m close to the top on the waitlist and was wondering when I should expect to hear if I’ve received a spot.
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I understand how you feel. However, I decided to work for a food truck since it shows that I can do non-math jobs and interact with people just fine.ALG1997 wrote: This is exactly what I don't want to end up doing, no offense. That sounds like a wasted summer, compared to the students who are getting paid to do an REU.
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Second this. Worked in a consulting firm in the first summer, which helped me understand about business optimization in practice and improved my social skill greatly. I would say it isn't too bad.djysyed wrote:I understand how you feel. However, I decided to work for a food truck since it shows that I can do non-math jobs and interact with people just fine.ALG1997 wrote: This is exactly what I don't want to end up doing, no offense. That sounds like a wasted summer, compared to the students who are getting paid to do an REU.
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Showing that you are "normal" is an important aspect of graduate applications. One of the purposes for a required statement of purpose is to filter out all the "weird" people with their strange beliefs (ex: Wildburger claims R and Q have same cardinality). I'm not entirely sure if REUs look for red flags in an applicant's personality from the SoP.
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Has anyone heard back from ICERM Brown?
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No offense taken, it was less than ideal. I have no options to take anything unpaid, though, so it is what it is.ALG1997 wrote:
This is exactly what I don't want to end up doing, no offense. That sounds like a wasted summer, compared to the students who are getting paid to do an REU.
I just really hope this summer is different...
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Nope! Still waiting on them.vhdvhd wrote:Has anyone heard back from ICERM Brown?
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According to a subreddit on math REUs, James Madison, CSU Fresno, CSU Fullerton, and Grand Valley State have all sent out acceptances and shortlists. Now I've been rejected everywhere except Brwon ICERM and MSRI-UP (officially), and I thought my application was very competitive. I didn't even get into my "safety" programs.
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I thought mine was competitive till I found this website...Now I think I am foolish because I only applied for 2 reus.ALG1997 wrote:According to a subreddit on math REUs, James Madison, CSU Fresno, CSU Fullerton, and Grand Valley State have all sent out acceptances and shortlists. Now I've been rejected everywhere except Brwon ICERM and MSRI-UP (officially), and I thought my application was very competitive. I didn't even get into my "safety" programs.
Has anyone heard of reu at Georgia Tech? What's about this one?
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Has anyone heard from Auburn, Oregon State, or Indiana?
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I just got a rejection from Berkeley.
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Has anyone heard from MSRI - UP?
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I got an email last night asking if I was still interestedvhdvhd wrote: Has anyone heard of reu at Georgia Tech? What's about this one?
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HJH009 wrote:I got an email last night asking if I was still interestedvhdvhd wrote: Has anyone heard of reu at Georgia Tech? What's about this one?
Thank you! Congratulations to you~
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Just got ICERM in the last 30 min, but will be rejectingljsreader wrote:Nope! Still waiting on them.vhdvhd wrote:Has anyone heard back from ICERM Brown?
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Anyone heard from UT Tyler or University of Michigan-Dearborn?
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I received my acceptance from UT Tyler last Friday, with a deadline to accept by March 8, waiting to hear back from Brown, Oregon State and Indiana first.leholybernoulli wrote:Anyone heard from UT Tyler or University of Michigan-Dearborn?
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Thank you!terrapot wrote:Just got ICERM in the last 30 min, but will be rejectingljsreader wrote:Nope! Still waiting on them.vhdvhd wrote:Has anyone heard back from ICERM Brown?
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I also got accepted by UT Tyler, but I really want to hear back from Indiana before making my decision. I fear that they would send out acceptances during spring break, which for me happens after March 8. I guess I should send them an email.OwlMath wrote:I received my acceptance from UT Tyler last Friday, with a deadline to accept by March 8, waiting to hear back from Brown, Oregon State and Indiana first.leholybernoulli wrote:Anyone heard from UT Tyler or University of Michigan-Dearborn?
Edit: just realized I forgot to send Indiana my transcript...
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I’m going to contact the REUs I haven’t heard back from tonight if I don’t hear back from them by then.xml wrote:I also got accepted by UT Tyler, but I really want to hear back from Indiana before making my decision. I fear that they would send out acceptances during spring break, which for me happens after March 8. I guess I should send them an email.OwlMath wrote:I received my acceptance from UT Tyler last Friday, with a deadline to accept by March 8, waiting to hear back from Brown, Oregon State and Indiana first.leholybernoulli wrote:Anyone heard from UT Tyler or University of Michigan-Dearborn?
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Received an acceptance to Indiana today but will be declining. Good luck!!OwlMath wrote:Has anyone heard from Auburn, Oregon State, or Indiana?
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Just got the official rejection email from Emory, saying that applications are up by 50% this year and their acceptance rate is 1.2% :/
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Anyone heard from MSRI-UP or SUMSRI? and if so, what was the deadline for decisions?
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Still waiting to hear back from UT Tyler. Is it possible that REUs would look at someone's profile and think "Why isn't this guy just doing research at his own institute?"leholybernoulli wrote:Anyone heard from UT Tyler or University of Michigan-Dearborn?
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Nah I don’t think so. When I did a REU last summer half the students were from big research universities.djysyed wrote:Still waiting to hear back from UT Tyler. Is it possible that REUs would look at someone's profile and think "Why isn't this guy just doing research at his own institute?"leholybernoulli wrote:Anyone heard from UT Tyler or University of Michigan-Dearborn?
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What were there backgrounds?
My school had an REU in commutative algebra (A-M level) a few years back and they essentially picked the top people. I was only a freshman at the time and had nowhere near the mathematical maturity needed to complete A-M in 6 days so I left after the first day. They didn't mind me leaving since I was unfunded. However, I did notice that everyone around me had studied A-M and most had quite a few advanced undergrad or graduate courses.
My school had an REU in commutative algebra (A-M level) a few years back and they essentially picked the top people. I was only a freshman at the time and had nowhere near the mathematical maturity needed to complete A-M in 6 days so I left after the first day. They didn't mind me leaving since I was unfunded. However, I did notice that everyone around me had studied A-M and most had quite a few advanced undergrad or graduate courses.
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This is my first time applying for REUs, so I don't know a lot of the common wisdom. I have only been accepted into GVSU and need to decide by March 8th, so if that is all I get by then, I should definitely accept, right? Because I also heard that a lot of people get acceptances mid-March, so I don't know if I should wait for anything else.
Also are some programs better than others? Or is really any program that you can do very good?
Also are some programs better than others? Or is really any program that you can do very good?
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It depends on what your goals are. For example, if you want to go to a really top grad school then Duluth is best since 195/216 alumni who have graduated decided to go to grad school and of those 195, 153 have gone to MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, UChicago, or Berkeley. However, if you want to do something besides number theory or combinatorics during the summer then this isn't the REU for you, probably. So it all depends on your interests and goals.InjuredMammaMole wrote:This is my first time applying for REUs, so I don't know a lot of the common wisdom. I have only been accepted into GVSU and need to decide by March 8th, so if that is all I get by then, I should definitely accept, right? Because I also heard that a lot of people get acceptances mid-March, so I don't know if I should wait for anything else.
Also are some programs better than others? Or is really any program that you can do very good?
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So I feel like you've looked into this more than I have: realistically, what path does one need to chart in grad school to become a research mathematician? Is it necessary to go to a school of this caliber? What's the difference between the #10 and the #100 school in terms of career prospects?starlord37 wrote:It depends on what your goals are. For example, if you want to go to a really top grad school then Duluth is best since 195/216 alumni who have graduated decided to go to grad school and of those 195, 153 have gone to MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, UChicago, or Berkeley. However, if you want to do something besides number theory or combinatorics during the summer then this isn't the REU for you, probably. So it all depends on your interests and goals.InjuredMammaMole wrote:This is my first time applying for REUs, so I don't know a lot of the common wisdom. I have only been accepted into GVSU and need to decide by March 8th, so if that is all I get by then, I should definitely accept, right? Because I also heard that a lot of people get acceptances mid-March, so I don't know if I should wait for anything else.
Also are some programs better than others? Or is really any program that you can do very good?
Something that I've been wondering recently.
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I assume by research mathematician you mean academia. Since for the most part research mathematicians work in academia with the exception of the IAS (which is basically academia) and the NSA or research groups at large companies like Microsoft Research. In the case of academia, it's so competitive, going to a top 10 school can only guarantee you a position at a top 100, maybe top 50 school. Going to a top 10 doesn't even guarantee you a job at a R1 (AMS Group 1 Research Schoolhttp://www.ams.org/profession/data/annu ... ey/group_i). The difference between going to a top 10 and a top 100 is staggering, as your job prospects from a top 100 are much slimmer, unless you significantly 'lower your standards'. In the end, it doesn't matter since the best researcher wins, so if you went to a top 10 but your research isn't that great you'll have a harder time than a top 100 with stellar research.etianss wrote:
So I feel like you've looked into this more than I have: realistically, what path does one need to chart in grad school to become a research mathematician? Is it necessary to go to a school of this caliber? What's the difference between the #10 and the #100 school in terms of career prospects?
Something that I've been wondering recently.
See also this answer on stack https://math.stackexchange.com/question ... in-the-u-s
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I just received an email from Auburn saying they haven’t begun to process applications yet and won’t begin processing them until next week. Sucks because I have an acceptance deadline of March 8 for another opportunity.
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I'm in the same situation with MIT. Not sure what to do...OwlMath wrote:I just received an email from Auburn saying they haven’t begun to process applications yet and won’t begin processing them until next week. Sucks because I have an acceptance deadline of March 8 for another opportunity.