What scores are required for what schools?
What scores are required for what schools?
Looking at many of the different schools' websites I see statements about math subject minimums, but not averages. What are the common scores at different tiers of schools? i.e at:
Top 5
Top 10
Top 20
Top 30
Top 5
Top 10
Top 20
Top 30
Re: What scores are required for what schools?
A Putnam fellow applying to my program had less than 800 on the math GRE. This student was accepted to a top 5. This means that there are some very good students who score badly on the GRE... and they do get accepted to top programs because of other merits.
Re: What scores are required for what schools?
I know students with ___ percentile score at ___ university:
82nd  MIT
70ish  Yale
60ish  UCLA
50ish  Duke
A few programs are quite explicit about their expectations. Berkeley prefers scores above the 80th percentile. Penn uses 750 as a preliminary cutoff and reports 820 as their average.
82nd  MIT
70ish  Yale
60ish  UCLA
50ish  Duke
A few programs are quite explicit about their expectations. Berkeley prefers scores above the 80th percentile. Penn uses 750 as a preliminary cutoff and reports 820 as their average.
Re: What scores are required for what schools?
Penn State, ranked somewhere around 25:
http://www.math.psu.edu/grad/phd/faq.php
Minnesota, ranked just below 10 I think...:
http://www.math.umn.edu/grad/faq/index.shtml
Notice that Minnesota had a student with a 42nd percentile score. The rest of their application must have been amazing!
http://www.math.psu.edu/grad/phd/faq.php
Minnesota, ranked just below 10 I think...:
http://www.math.umn.edu/grad/faq/index.shtml
Notice that Minnesota had a student with a 42nd percentile score. The rest of their application must have been amazing!
Re: What scores are required for what schools?
Now, did any of those students have other factors contraindicated by their GRE scores. For instance, did the Duke student have a significantly high GPA or did the MIT student lack prior research experience or some sort?owlpride wrote:I know students with ___ percentile score at ___ university:
82nd  MIT
70ish  Yale
60ish  UCLA
50ish  Duke
A few programs are quite explicit about their expectations. Berkeley prefers scores above the 80th percentile. Penn uses 750 as a preliminary cutoff and reports 820 as their average.
Incidentally, I know someone who scored low enough that she won't tell me her percentile currently attending University of Nebraska. I don't know if that means much to the OP, but it is info.
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All four are very strong students. Three got a Master's degree in 4 years, and one graduated in three years with a good number of graduate courses under his belt already. MIT, Yale, Duke and UCLA are all very selective programs and I cannot imagine that they would admit someone without a strong academic record.
This just goes to show that there are more important aspects of the application than GRE scores.
This just goes to show that there are more important aspects of the application than GRE scores.
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Yeah, that was pretty much what I expected you would say. It would seem that the Math GRE is not a great predictor of future performance or an indicator of past success, especially if people who completed the BA and MA in 4 years scored in the 60ish percentile. (Assuming that the person who *only* got the BS in three years was the one who went to Duke.)
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Actually, that's the one who went to MIT. He was only applying to a few tippytop programs after his junior year, with the intention to stay for a fourth year and reapply more broadly if he didn't get accepted.
I'm not sure how much the coursework for a Master's degree actually helps for the GRE. It might help in terms of general problemsolving skills but not with the specific material on the exam.
Also, to be honest, whether someone gets a Master's degree in four years around here depends mainly on their precollege background. (Basically, the set of math majors pursing the combined Bachelor/Master option = the set of math majors with AP Calc BC credit. Everyone else would need to take courses out of sequence to catch up with the requirements of the program.) From this point of view, the Master's degree does not actually indicate particular mathematical talent and maybe that's why some of their GRE scores are on the lower side. Or maybe their graduate courses kept them too busy to prepare for the exam
I'm not sure how much the coursework for a Master's degree actually helps for the GRE. It might help in terms of general problemsolving skills but not with the specific material on the exam.
Also, to be honest, whether someone gets a Master's degree in four years around here depends mainly on their precollege background. (Basically, the set of math majors pursing the combined Bachelor/Master option = the set of math majors with AP Calc BC credit. Everyone else would need to take courses out of sequence to catch up with the requirements of the program.) From this point of view, the Master's degree does not actually indicate particular mathematical talent and maybe that's why some of their GRE scores are on the lower side. Or maybe their graduate courses kept them too busy to prepare for the exam
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Personally, I don't think the Math GRE really says anything about a student.
"How well can you work tricky Calculus/Precalculus questions with a time limit?"
What that has to do with someone wanting to study analysis or algebraic geometry or topology is beyond me. Personally, I'm an aspiring complex analyst. How much is my knowledge of complex analysis going to help on the exam? Three questions at best.
I dunno, I just think its silly. Seems the test is more for people who sit around thinking about Calculus, but in actuality, wouldn't that be the engineers and physicists? Don't most serious mathematicians move on to algebra and/or analysis and/or geometry (and/or a combination of the above)? I know that if not for this test I wouldn't be thinking about computing things in my mathematical thoughts. (I'd be spending 100% of my time studying Rudin, Ahlfors, Markushevich, and Birkhoff/Mac Lane!!!!)
Of course, even more generally, not all mathematicians are solid at the same topics. One of my professors had a classmate who was awful at algebra, but was a genius at topology/analysis, and actually got a very nice offer from a top 10 school. So again, maybe someone just isn't good at calculus or algebra, but is a freaking genius with analysis or topology. Their score probably wouldn't be so hot. But maybe they're the person who will prove Riemann's hypothesis!
Bah! Just complaining because the test looms ahead for me, and is freaking me out.
And while we're on the topic: Anybody have any clue what good ole' Wash U in St. Louis looks for on the Math GRE?
"How well can you work tricky Calculus/Precalculus questions with a time limit?"
What that has to do with someone wanting to study analysis or algebraic geometry or topology is beyond me. Personally, I'm an aspiring complex analyst. How much is my knowledge of complex analysis going to help on the exam? Three questions at best.
I dunno, I just think its silly. Seems the test is more for people who sit around thinking about Calculus, but in actuality, wouldn't that be the engineers and physicists? Don't most serious mathematicians move on to algebra and/or analysis and/or geometry (and/or a combination of the above)? I know that if not for this test I wouldn't be thinking about computing things in my mathematical thoughts. (I'd be spending 100% of my time studying Rudin, Ahlfors, Markushevich, and Birkhoff/Mac Lane!!!!)
Of course, even more generally, not all mathematicians are solid at the same topics. One of my professors had a classmate who was awful at algebra, but was a genius at topology/analysis, and actually got a very nice offer from a top 10 school. So again, maybe someone just isn't good at calculus or algebra, but is a freaking genius with analysis or topology. Their score probably wouldn't be so hot. But maybe they're the person who will prove Riemann's hypothesis!
Bah! Just complaining because the test looms ahead for me, and is freaking me out.
And while we're on the topic: Anybody have any clue what good ole' Wash U in St. Louis looks for on the Math GRE?
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That is actually quite a decent idea. I wish I had that mind set back in the day. (You know, instead of bouncing from Architecture to math at a good architecture school but a second rate math school and then deciding to try to get a job after my masters.)owlpride wrote:Actually, that's the one who went to MIT. He was only applying to a few tippytop programs after his junior year, with the intention to stay for a fourth year and reapply more broadly if he didn't get accepted.
Haha! I guess there is always that.Or maybe their graduate courses kept them too busy to prepare for the exam
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For an example of the converse, I scored 94th percentile and didn't get into any top 30 programs.
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enork,
I don't mean to be rude, and feel free to not answer if you don't want to, but is there any reason why that happened?
I don't mean to be rude, and feel free to not answer if you don't want to, but is there any reason why that happened?
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Well, my application wasn't so strong in other areas. My GPA was 3.38 because I didn't make maximizing my grades a high priority. My letters probably weren't very impressive because I didn't get to know many professors. I didn't have much in the way of research experience (for example no REUs). Basically I did a poor job during my undergrad building a solid profile for applying to grad school. Even the math GRE I barely prepared for, but I happen to be good at that sort of test, for whatever that's worth.
I'm at Georgia Tech now and it's been great so far, so it wasn't the end of the world. Also GT's US News ranking got bumped up to 30 this year, so what I said maybe isn't true anymore depending on how you interpret the statement.
I'm at Georgia Tech now and it's been great so far, so it wasn't the end of the world. Also GT's US News ranking got bumped up to 30 this year, so what I said maybe isn't true anymore depending on how you interpret the statement.
Re: What scores are required for what schools?
enork, I'm sure that the GRE wasn't the only thing getting you into GA Tech and that your previous school's reputation had a powerful role as well.
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So I emailed a school to ask what their score range was and I was told it was 880990. The rescaled test goes to 900. What range would 880990 correspond to? Why would a school still use the old scale?

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Re: What scores are required for what schools?
Which school did you ask...
Re: What scores are required for what schools?
Well, proportions would suggest their new range is 800 and up, but they may not know that the rescaled test only goes to 900. That being said, according to Owlpride, someone he knows got into Duke with a 50ish percentile Math GRE score and Duke is pretty choosy. Don't let the 880 thing scare you off.dasgut wrote:So I emailed a school to ask what their score range was and I was told it was 880990. The rescaled test goes to 900. What range would 880990 correspond to? Why would a school still use the old scale?