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Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:59 am
by sincostancotseccsc
As past years, I am creating a sweat thread for everybody, and this is the thread for you to talk about your nervousness and relieve your stress.

I have applied for the math PhD in 10+ schools this year, most of them are outside of the US though, I hope I will end up landing in at least one PhD program next year.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:39 pm
by pkzrd
quasimeasurable wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:45 pm
Does anyone know if graduate student TA stipends are taxable? :D
Yes stipends are taxable.
Your school withholds federal/state/local tax from your paycheck then you (might) get some of them back when you file tax returns.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:49 pm
by pkzrd
Also (if it's not already obvious) when comparing offers between schools make sure to take into account the cost of living.

Things like rent, health insurance payments/tuition fees (if any), renters/auto insurance, income tax etc.
i.e. 30k a year in Boston or the bay area is probably a much tighter budget than 30k a year in say State College or Columbus.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:19 pm
by mindyummy
I've heard stories from grad students at my school that departments usually don't care that much about well-being of grad students, giving them lots of TA work while paying minimum wages and then kick half of them out thru qualifying exams.
They told me that besides getting to know the school and judging reputation of the department while picking a school, it is important to contact some graduate students and ask them about how they are treated to get a sense of how I will be treated.

Are there any truth to that?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:29 am
by pkzrd
mindyummy wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:19 pm
I've heard stories from grad students at my school that departments usually don't care that much about well-being of grad students, giving them lots of TA work while paying minimum wages and then kick half of them out thru qualifying exams.
They told me that besides getting to know the school and judging reputation of the department while picking a school, it is important to contact some graduate students and ask them about how they are treated to get a sense of how I will be treated.

Are there any truth to that?
To a certain extent it's true the department don't care all that much about us, though I suspect some department care more or less than others. Some schools are notoriously of using difficult qualifying exam to "kick grad students out" so that they can cheap labor for teaching lower level undergraduate classes.

Arugably it's the result of capitalism. Schools are becoming corporations, giving out less tenure-ship (thus more adjunct and cheap TA required) while administrators, endowment managers and football coaches are getting paid 7 digits (or even 8 digits). If I recall correctly UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz had graduate students go on strike because of terrible pay, and then the schools fired them lol. There's a video on netflix that sort of explains this.

The bottom line is, we are getting paid terribly, probably overworked and the odds of getting an academic tenure-track job after graduation is almost zero. But I'm sure you are aware of this before applying to programs. If your school has a graduate student union, join! More graduate students in the union means more bargaining power.

EDIT some links
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03459-7
https://www.science.org/content/article ... onsume-you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YytF2v7Vvw0

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:49 am
by Weil98
pkzrd wrote:
Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:29 am
mindyummy wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:19 pm
I've heard stories from grad students at my school that departments usually don't care that much about well-being of grad students, giving them lots of TA work while paying minimum wages and then kick half of them out thru qualifying exams.
They told me that besides getting to know the school and judging reputation of the department while picking a school, it is important to contact some graduate students and ask them about how they are treated to get a sense of how I will be treated.

Are there any truth to that?
To a certain extent it's true the department don't care all that much about us, though I suspect some department care more or less than others. Some schools are notoriously of using difficult qualifying exam to "kick grad students out" so that they can cheap labor for teaching lower level undergraduate classes.

Arugably it's the result of capitalism. Schools are becoming corporations, giving out less tenure-ship (thus more adjunct and cheap TA required) while administrators, endowment managers and football coaches are getting paid 7 digits (or even 8 digits). If I recall correctly UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz had graduate students go on strike because of terrible pay, and then the schools fired them lol. There's a video on netflix that sort of explains this.

The bottom line is, we are getting paid terribly, probably overworked and the odds of getting an academic tenure-track job after graduation is almost zero. But I'm sure you are aware of this before applying to programs. If your school has a graduate student union, join! More graduate students in the union means more bargaining power.

EDIT some links
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03459-7
https://www.science.org/content/article ... onsume-you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YytF2v7Vvw0
Do really grad students get out just because of qualifying exams? Don't they have more than one chance of redoing the exam(s)? I never heard of someone leaving their PhD program because he failed quals. This is the first time I hear this!!

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:45 pm
by Cophysneurec
Weil98 wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:49 am

Do really grad students get out just because of qualifying exams? Don't they have more than one chance of redoing the exam(s)? I never heard of someone leaving their PhD program because he failed quals. This is the first time I hear this!!
I have heard that it is not uncommon for 50% of a class to not make it past quals at certain programs. I do not data, but I have heard UCSB was like this around a decade ago. It's extremely common in economics, so it wouldn't surprise me if there are at least a handful of top 100 or top 50 programs like this.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:14 pm
by mindyummy
Anyone thinks omicron's gonna throw a curve ball at this year's admission process, like in 2020?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:25 pm
by Cophysneurec
I sure hope not. Considering how mild and contagious it is, seems like further restrictions would do more harm than good.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:00 am
by pkzrd
Weil98 wrote:
Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:49 am
pkzrd wrote:
Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:29 am
mindyummy wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:19 pm
I've heard stories from grad students at my school that departments usually don't care that much about well-being of grad students, giving them lots of TA work while paying minimum wages and then kick half of them out thru qualifying exams.
They told me that besides getting to know the school and judging reputation of the department while picking a school, it is important to contact some graduate students and ask them about how they are treated to get a sense of how I will be treated.

Are there any truth to that?
To a certain extent it's true the department don't care all that much about us, though I suspect some department care more or less than others. Some schools are notoriously of using difficult qualifying exam to "kick grad students out" so that they can cheap labor for teaching lower level undergraduate classes.

Arugably it's the result of capitalism. Schools are becoming corporations, giving out less tenure-ship (thus more adjunct and cheap TA required) while administrators, endowment managers and football coaches are getting paid 7 digits (or even 8 digits). If I recall correctly UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz had graduate students go on strike because of terrible pay, and then the schools fired them lol. There's a video on netflix that sort of explains this.

The bottom line is, we are getting paid terribly, probably overworked and the odds of getting an academic tenure-track job after graduation is almost zero. But I'm sure you are aware of this before applying to programs. If your school has a graduate student union, join! More graduate students in the union means more bargaining power.

EDIT some links
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03459-7
https://www.science.org/content/article ... onsume-you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YytF2v7Vvw0
Do really grad students get out just because of qualifying exams? Don't they have more than one chance of redoing the exam(s)? I never heard of someone leaving their PhD program because he failed quals. This is the first time I hear this!!
Oh sorry because of all the trash talking I failed to respond.

Some programs are more notorious with having lower graduation rates i.e. % of incoming class successfully graduating with a Ph.D. Some of these statistics are somewhere on the school's website but it might not be the whole story (pure math might be harder to "survive" than say applied math in some departments). Contacting current grad students at the department you're interested in/accepted to will give you a fuller picture.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:23 am
by mindyummy
Cophysneurec wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:25 pm
I sure hope not. Considering how mild and contagious it is, seems like further restrictions would do more harm than good.
I hope not too. The number of cases look even worst than 2020 and 2021 combined. Though news say this variant is less deadly, so maybe it won't be as bad.

Weird times we live in

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:17 pm
by Cophysneurec
South Africa is looking good (where this thing started), and T cell immunity from the vaccine holds up to Omicron. Hospitalizations lower for Omicron vs Delta even with higher case rates.

Congratulations on getting in to Ohio State!

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:13 pm
by mindyummy
Cophysneurec wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:17 pm
South Africa is looking good (where this thing started), and T cell immunity from the vaccine holds up to Omicron. Hospitalizations lower for Omicron vs Delta even with higher case rates.

Congratulations on getting in to Ohio State!
I hope you're right. It seems this pandemic refuses to end.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:34 pm
by Cophysneurec
True that. It's been a dismal couple years.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 2:44 am
by mindyummy
Cophysneurec wrote:
Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:34 pm
True that. It's been a dismal couple years.
Yeah, can almost say my degree is online.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:00 am
by deviant_lime
Has anyone contacted schools to submit fall grades that were unavailable at the application deadline?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:18 am
by YellowBee
I know it's super early in the admissions cycle, but I already feel super nervous. What has everyone been up to over winter break as they're waiting on results?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:20 pm
by Cophysneurec
deviant_lime wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:00 am
Has anyone contacted schools to submit fall grades that were unavailable at the application deadline?
Yes. I uploaded through the portal when I could, and otherwise emailed my transcript to the most relevant email address I could find. They have all responded positively.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 1:58 pm
by Jmr324
YellowBee wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:18 am
I know it's super early in the admissions cycle, but I already feel super nervous. What has everyone been up to over winter break as they're waiting on results?
I've been pretty anxious as well. I try to stay busy with research and learning. Next week my semester starts so hopefully, that will keep me busy.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:27 pm
by empty_functor
Did anyone get any emails from Yale? I have someone in my department told me he's accepted unofficially thru email pending official acceptance? Trying to see if it's everyone who's accepted or just him

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 7:18 pm
by deviant_lime
Does anyone have any info on whether the number of applications departments are receiving is more in line with pre-covid years or is it going with the more recent trends of increased applicant numbers?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:24 am
by matejxx1
From my conversations with profs its pretty much same as it's always been.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:06 am
by 123t
empty_functor wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:27 pm
Did anyone get any emails from Yale? I have someone in my department told me he's accepted unofficially thru email pending official acceptance? Trying to see if it's everyone who's accepted or just him
So when they will update the status in the portal?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:07 am
by 123t
Cophysneurec wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:20 pm
deviant_lime wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:00 am
Has anyone contacted schools to submit fall grades that were unavailable at the application deadline?
Yes. I uploaded through the portal when I could, and otherwise emailed my transcript to the most relevant email address I could find. They have all responded positively.
How do you update for UCLA? They did not respond to my email. Can you provide the email link?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:59 pm
by Cophysneurec
123t wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:07 am

How do you update for UCLA? They did not respond to my email. Can you provide the email link?
Check my profile again.

Maybe one of their staff emails would be suitable if they list them.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:09 pm
by Weil98
Does anyone know if Ohio State will send any more acceptances?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:11 pm
by vladvladvlad
Weil98 wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:09 pm
Does anyone know if Ohio State will send any more acceptances?
In past years they've supposedly sent out offers in two waves. I don't know if that will be the case this year, but it's possible they might send out more offers later this month.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:15 pm
by deviant_lime
What does it mean if a department invites you to an open house but has not sent offers yet? Do they invite all applicants or just a long list/ short list etc?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:38 am
by Weil98
vladvladvlad wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:11 pm
Weil98 wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 4:09 pm
Does anyone know if Ohio State will send any more acceptances?
In past years they've supposedly sent out offers in two waves. I don't know if that will be the case this year, but it's possible they might send out more offers later this month.
I hope so!

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:39 am
by Weil98
Friends, do all universities have waiting lists?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:58 am
by HyperCar2022
Weil98 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:39 am
Friends, do all universities have waiting lists?
Technically yes. Almost all universities released admissions time to time untill they got right number of students they want. Though you may not be notified as wl sometimes, before last day of notification, you still have chance

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:36 pm
by Weil98
HyperCar2022 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:58 am
Weil98 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:39 am

Technically yes. Almost all universities released admissions time to time untill they got right number of students they want. Though you may not be notified as wl sometimes, before last day of notification, you still have chance
Ah I see. Thanks for replying!

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:03 pm
by watermelon117
One of my references submitted the letters 3 to 6 weeks after most deadlines of mine and has still nine more places that he has not yet uploaded the letters. I have tried to find another reference and reached out to the programs I have applied to. I don't know. I felt suicidal during my winter break whenever I saw my empty inbox (no email notification of uploaded letters) and depressed from time to time this semester. Luckily I have gotten out of town and stayed with my quasi-family during this time and have slowly recovered to work and study again.

I just want to vent anonymously here. I don't want to bother my friends who care about me and are stressed by their own things rn (new work; applications; working on their dissertation; etc.); I don't want to talk to some other people I know from my department who enjoy being listened to but will only throw indifferent shit at me unrelated to my situation when it is not their struggles. Looking forward to moving to a different environment in grad school too and leaving all those egocentric immature snobs behind.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:16 pm
by HyperCar2022
watermelon117 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:03 pm
One of my references submitted the letters 3 to 6 weeks after most deadlines of mine and has still nine more places that he has not yet uploaded the letters. I have tried to find another reference and reached out to the programs I have applied to. I don't know. I felt suicidal during my winter break whenever I saw my empty inbox (no email notification of uploaded letters) and depressed from time to time this semester. Luckily I have gotten out of town and stayed with my quasi-family during this time and have slowly recovered to work and study again.

I just want to vent anonymously here. I don't want to bother my friends who care about me and are stressed by their own things rn (new work; applications; working on their dissertation; etc.); I don't want to talk to some other people I know from my department who enjoy being listened to but will only throw indifferent shit at me unrelated to my situation when it is not their struggles. Looking forward to moving to a different environment in grad school too and leaving all those egocentric immature snobs behind.
Hope you have good news soon. Take it easy and do sth fun. I think at this stage, there's few things we can do but wait

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:21 pm
by watermelon117
HyperCar2022 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:16 pm
watermelon117 wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:03 pm
One of my references submitted the letters 3 to 6 weeks after most deadlines of mine and has still nine more places that he has not yet uploaded the letters. I have tried to find another reference and reached out to the programs I have applied to. I don't know. I felt suicidal during my winter break whenever I saw my empty inbox (no email notification of uploaded letters) and depressed from time to time this semester. Luckily I have gotten out of town and stayed with my quasi-family during this time and have slowly recovered to work and study again.

I just want to vent anonymously here. I don't want to bother my friends who care about me and are stressed by their own things rn (new work; applications; working on their dissertation; etc.); I don't want to talk to some other people I know from my department who enjoy being listened to but will only throw indifferent shit at me unrelated to my situation when it is not their struggles. Looking forward to moving to a different environment in grad school too and leaving all those egocentric immature snobs behind.
Hope you have good news soon. Take it easy and do sth fun. I think at this stage, there's few things we can do but wait
Thank you! You too.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:54 pm
by Scathrules
Has anyone's application status for Rutgers been updated from "Application Pending" to "Application Review" (or anything similar to this message)? Mine still says pending and I never got an email back from the admissions office.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:06 pm
by fakeName
Scathrules wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:54 pm
Has anyone's application status for Rutgers been updated from "Application Pending" to "Application Review" (or anything similar to this message)? Mine still says pending and I never got an email back from the admissions office.
Hasn't changed for me yet. In the middle box it says "Application Pending: Check back soon for a decision on your application!," and the under review circle on the left is still locked (profile created through application submitted are checked). As far as I recall, it's been like this and has not changed.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:06 pm
by YellowBee
Scathrules wrote:
Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:54 pm
Has anyone's application status for Rutgers been updated from "Application Pending" to "Application Review" (or anything similar to this message)? Mine still says pending and I never got an email back from the admissions office.
I checked and mine still says application submitted.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:24 pm
by 123t
Why all schools are quiet these days? Too boring.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:24 pm
by hornedsphere
Why are most places horribly quite this time around (especially for pure math stuff)?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:29 pm
by YellowBee
Is February the month when most results come out?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:55 pm
by fakeName
YellowBee wrote:
Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:29 pm
Is February the month when most results come out?
Typically yes. From my needlessly extensive grad cafe research, this year doesn't seem PARTICULARLY slower than the last two years though, but outside of one interview I have heard literally nothing from any of my schools :(

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:25 pm
by ms60000204
Can I bet on some miracle that I will get into at least one school? Does this happen?
I don't really have any research experience and non of my rec letters will be strong, but I only applied to T50 schools. I already gave up and overloaded myself in my last semester as a sort of back-up to the second round.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:23 pm
by hopium
fakeName wrote:
Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:55 pm
YellowBee wrote:
Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:29 pm
Is February the month when most results come out?
Typically yes. From my needlessly extensive grad cafe research, this year doesn't seem PARTICULARLY slower than the last two years though, but outside of one interview I have heard literally nothing from any of my schools :(
You could also check on Gradcafe on when the results were out for each program in past years.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:43 am
by empty_functor
I'm not sure if it's just my computer screwing up or this website is broken. But every time I get a notification and when I clicked on it nothing happens. Since I'm kinda lazy to go thru every post and see who pinged me in their post, PM directly :(

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:09 pm
by uhoh
Apparently some Cornell results are out. Does anyone know if these include applied ones too?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:29 pm
by deviant_lime
Has anyone heard anything back from USC or Indiana Bloomington?

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:51 pm
by MadMax
uhoh wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:09 pm
Apparently some Cornell results are out. Does anyone know if these include applied ones too?
No. That's a completely different program.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:49 pm
by Scathrules
Has Irvine sent out any acceptances? I've seen some rejections on gradcafe but not sure if it's true.

Re: Fall 2022 Sweat Thread

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:06 pm
by jalgebra
if I haven't heard from Cornell when they sent out a bunch or acceptances and rejections, does it mean I'm on a waitlist?