Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

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fiveier.analysis
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Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by fiveier.analysis » Sat Sep 02, 2023 3:53 pm

I have had a decent amount of math courses but honestly having a hard time as to who to ask for recommendation letters. I don't really go to any of their office hours since I understood the material and did relatively well so I didn't see the point of doing so ... I did't like the idea of "schmoozing" up to them just for the sake of asking for their letters or connections down the road later, call me dogmatic ignorant or arrogant if you must, maybe I was a bit immature.

Anywho ... the 1st letter for me will come from my undergrad advisor. At my school each student is assigned a faculty advisor alongside a department secretary/advisor. I've talked to him numerous times for advice in applying to grad school, courses to take and what to do in summer, he also taught me advanced calculus and linear algebra. The 2nd letter will come from my thesis advisor who also taught me topology and algebraic topology. Our relation is relatively new since I only took topology last spring and algebraic topology this fall.

As to the 3rd letter I have couple choices, and they taught me different math courses but honestly nothing more than that. What should I do and how should go about choosing who to ask out of them?

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by mathph » Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:54 am

This is what I would do because I'm in a similar predicament:

If more than 2 candidates for the third letter, pick the best 2; if only 2, submit both.

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by fiveier.analysis » Mon Sep 25, 2023 2:35 pm

Not every school allows >3 letters to be submitted though

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by anticategories » Tue Sep 26, 2023 9:27 am

I would ask 3rd and 4th letter writers, in the most direct way possible, whether they can write you a strong letter

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by fiveier.analysis » Tue Sep 26, 2023 4:46 pm

I don't have the courage to ask them this directly or indirectly :oops:

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by mathph » Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:44 am

Well then maybe apply to half of your schools with ABC and then the other half with ABD?

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by anticategories » Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:51 am

mathph wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2023 9:44 am
Well then maybe apply to half of your schools with ABC and then the other half with ABD?
LOL pro tip 8)

And then draw the conclusion that D wrote you a bad letter if (% acceptances of schools with letters A+B+C) > 2 * (% acceptances of schools with letters A+B+D)

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by fiveier.analysis » Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:29 pm

unfrotunately I'm not rich enough to apply to that many schools to have a viable data set :(

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by mathph » Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:57 am

fiveier.analysis wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:29 pm
unfrotunately I'm not rich enough to apply to that many schools to have a viable data set :(
Now that you mention it I just realize this is gonna take more money than I expected, the UCs are like 135 each?! I'm gonna be super broke after this

Also sending GRE scores is 20 some dollars per school, and ETS is a non-profit?! That's literally highway robbery

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by anticategories » Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:14 am

mathph wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:57 am
fiveier.analysis wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:29 pm
unfrotunately I'm not rich enough to apply to that many schools to have a viable data set :(
Now that you mention it I just realize this is gonna take more money than I expected, the UCs are like 135 each?! I'm gonna be super broke after this

Also sending GRE scores is 20 some dollars per school, and ETS is a non-profit?! That's literally highway robbery
According to ProPublica [https://projects.propublica.org/nonprof ... /210634479]

They paid their executives 17 million dollars in compensation in both 2021 and 2020

There's only 9 executives currently according to the ETS website [https://www.ets.org/about/who/leadership.html], so base on that fact they each get paid 2 millions + base salary per year.

Disgusting. Non-profit my feet.

Sometimes I don't understand why some people just have to be so greedy and make contribution of measure zero to the society, besides spending a lot of money to boost the economy.

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by fiveier.analysis » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:15 pm

mathph wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:57 am
fiveier.analysis wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:29 pm
unfrotunately I'm not rich enough to apply to that many schools to have a viable data set :(
Now that you mention it I just realize this is gonna take more money than I expected, the UCs are like 135 each?! I'm gonna be super broke after this

Also sending GRE scores is 20 some dollars per school, and ETS is a non-profit?! That's literally highway robbery
Luckily my parents are footing the bill, and some schools are giving me waivers after I called or emailed to express interest (female).

So yes if you're a gal, try emailing or calling the dept to see if you can get a fee waiver, especially the southern and midwestern ones. :D doesn't hurt to try even if they don't give them out

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by fiveier.analysis » Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:11 pm

anticategories wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 11:14 am
mathph wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2023 7:57 am
fiveier.analysis wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2023 2:29 pm
unfrotunately I'm not rich enough to apply to that many schools to have a viable data set :(
Now that you mention it I just realize this is gonna take more money than I expected, the UCs are like 135 each?! I'm gonna be super broke after this

Also sending GRE scores is 20 some dollars per school, and ETS is a non-profit?! That's literally highway robbery
According to ProPublica [https://projects.propublica.org/nonprof ... /210634479]

They paid their executives 17 million dollars in compensation in both 2021 and 2020

There's only 9 executives currently according to the ETS website [https://www.ets.org/about/who/leadership.html], so base on that fact they each get paid 2 millions + base salary per year.

Disgusting. Non-profit my feet.

Sometimes I don't understand why some people just have to be so greedy and make contribution of measure zero to the society, besides spending a lot of money to boost the economy.
I can imagine that on their resume or when they were interviewed these executives will say somewhere along the line "I dedicated my life to make testing easier and cheaper for students so they can go to college/grad school of their dreams."

I don't think Nobel prize winners even get half a million per year, these non-profit executive i.e. your local hospital/university hospital, red cross, bunch of others are more disgusting than corporation executives. At least these corporations don't hide the fact that they are ripping consumers and their own employees off to maximize profit.

Uhhh well I guess it's our choice to choose to go to grad school instead of scamming people to get rich.

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Re: Who to ask for 3rd recommendation letter?

Post by mathph » Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:15 am

As I am submitting applications and sending GRE scores (paying $$$$), I realize most schools don't require official GRE scores until they accept you and then you intend to enroll.

So that's some money saved, not much but helps a little.



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